Black black Friday

I am seriously upset over the outcome of the referendum in England. 52% for Brexit and 48% for the remain camp. Britain is really leaving the EU… I can not wrap my mind around it. Isolationism, fear, loathing and a ‘wish to make Britain great again’ win over working together, solidarity and finding common ground. I realise that the EU isn’t perfect, but you can always work together to make it better. This peace project, that has been lasting ever since the Second World War ended, has cracked and for the first time in my life I am truly scared! And I grew up in Israel…

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Already you see the cracks widening. Our far right politicians (and some in other EU countries) are also calling for a referendum. Will “Nexit” (The Netherlands wanting to exit the EU) be the next thing?  There is a real move to what I see as far right egotism, not just here but in large parts of Europe and in the US as well. Just now I see that Donald Trump is in Scotland, wearing a “make America great again” cap. He is of course happy with Brexit and spouts the same populist crap. Will this be a push for him as well? Will he become President of the US? What is this world coming to? This is a black black black Friday…

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38 thoughts on “Black black Friday

  1. When I heard the results this morning I couldn’t believe it.
    “The EU is a sinking ship. Leave it!” I heared. And I can’t stop asking myself_ 70 Years of Peace, development an Trade in work, knowlegde and products – how could this ever be wrong?”

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  2. I feel exactly the same, Esther. I would never have thought this would happen, however close the outcome of the referendum had been forecast. And I am extremely worried for the future. The EU was built on idealism – ok, and economic profiteering. But there was an idea at the heart of it that I fully believe in – especially as I come from the country that is geographically at the heart of Europe. Despite being growing up in post-war Europe, WWII has always been very present in my life, and I always felt the EEC, later the EU, was a conscious decision by the citizens of Europe to prevent future wars and live together peacefully. I am (literally) crying over the loss of that idealist notion. I am very scared for my children’s future…

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  3. Das waren richtig schlechte Nachrichten heute morgen. Es hat mich kalt erwischt, denn irgendwie war ich immer davon ausgegangen, dass sie sich noch berappeln und am Ende bei uns bleiben wollen (aus all den sehr guten Gründen, die Guylty genannt hat). Nun gehen die Sorgen weiter, denn in ganz Europa reiben sich die Nationalisten die Hände und wittern extreme Morgenluft. Sie spielen mit der Zukunft unserer Kinder. Wenn es nach den jungen Menschen gegangen wäre, dann wäre es wohl nicht zu einem Austritt gekommen. Sie wissen die Möglichkeiten, die ein vereintes Europa bietet, zu schätzen. So traurig, das alles….

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    • Unfassbar, das vorallem ältere für Brexit gestimmt haben! Ich hätte da etwas mehr Weisheit erwartet, und Geschichtsbewusstsein…

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      • Geschichtsbewusstsein scheint gerade nicht so sehr in Mode zu sein. Verdrängung und scheinbar einfache Lösungen sind dagegen sehr gefragt.

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          • In den Niederlanden gibt es doch auch eine starke Bewegung, die einen Austritt aus Europa befürwortet. Denkst du, das könnte jetzt konkret werden? Ich befürchte so eine Art Flächenbrand. Solidarität ist nämlich auch nicht sehr modern…

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            • Ja, diese Bewegung gibt es und es wacht jetzt wieder auf! Meine Angst wird nur noch größer!! Ich glaube ich muss nach Deutschland umziehen, wenn diese extremisten die Oberhand kriegen…

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              • Es kommen turbulente Zeiten auf uns zu.
                Diese Entscheidungen greifen tief in das persönliche Leben vieler Menschen ein. Ich hoffe, dass nun eine ehrliche und offene Debatte in Gang kommt und dass die Befürworter Europas ihre Sache im Privaten und in der Öffentlichkeit mit Herz vertreten.
                Es wäre so schrecklich, wenn alles auseinander fallen würde.

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      • Leider sind die meisten die den Krieg kannten nicht mehr da diese Generation von älteren Leuten hat keine Ahnung mehr davon 🙁die sind erst 50-60 gebohren.. und haben für nichts was sie haben persönlich gekämpft 🙁

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        • Aber wir ‘jüngeren’ haben doch auch keine Ahnung mehr von was Krieg wirklich ist? Und die jüngeren waren grösstenteils pro-Remain! Ich merke, dass ich mir viel Gedanken darüber mache weshalb vorallem ältere Leute Brexit gestimmt haben…

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    • Ich glaube nicht einem von denen die für einen Austritt gestimmt haben ist wirklich bewusst was da auf sie zukommt 😦

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  4. I have no words to allay your fears or boost you up. I’ve been analyzing my own feelings about this. No one is really just an observer as the ramifications are so broad – but I feel very much the I way feel when there’s been an assassination of a democratic world leader.

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    • Yes! And that leader has been murdered with a 52% approval rating! What is happening to us here in the West? Extremism as response to extremism? How can that be good?

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  5. My sympathies, Esther. It is sad. I guess all we can do now is hope for the best.

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  6. The news in the US this week was all about disarray in the Trump campaign — it’s practically penniless with only $1.5 million in reserves; the congressional forces that had reluctantly endorsed him were pulling away after his horrid statements on Orlando, etc. I’m praying that he embarrasses the hell out ofhimself in the UK, where he is right now, and it gets big play in the US press. In short, I’m not really worried about Trump winning the presidential election, although it’s a long way to November, and if there is a recession the US is in a very vulnerable position right now.

    But this vote — it really feels like the lights beginning to go out. I really hope it wakes up people in the rest of the EU about why these antithetical forces are so dangerous. Free labor movement is a key component of economic success. If you’re going to cut that off, you will pay the price. Apart from the benefits of peace. I wonder if too many people have forgotten 1945 at this point …

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    • I hope they douse him with whisky and he trips over the Forth bridge.. sorry, i’m bad today. Don’t really mean it just want him to fail politically. anyway, must have gone down like a rock with his statements today in Scotland

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      • I can imagine there being many people in the US who don’t give a rat’s a** about what happens in Europe, so even if he makes an a** of himself over here, I wonder how much effect that would have on his popularity in the US.

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        • It matters. In particular to the foreign policy establishment, but also to everyday people. The question is how it matters. When the UK Parliament had to respond to requests from UK voters not to let him into the UK, that made the news here for three days, but people had very differing responses to that news. From his perspective, the main goal is to stay in the news; from my perspective what’s important is that he continues to do stupid stuff like his attack on the federal judge and his remarks about Orlando.

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          • But won’t they see him as succesfully attacking the ‘elite’ and applaud his rebellious ways? I really hope some of his stupid remarks will trickle through to the most ardent of supporters and they will realize that maybe he isn’t the best option after all…

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            • I think what’s often forgotten is that his core supporters are at max half of the Republican electorate, which in in a world in which everyone voted is slightly less than half the electorate. (The problem is that Republicans are much more likely to vote than Democrats.) The real question is whether the rest of the Republican electorate — the people who didn’t vote in primaries or voted against him in primaries — will vote for him in the general elections. There have been a series of high level defections in the last two weeks, which suggests that the “old Republicans” (essentially hawkish fiscal conservatives) are not going to vote for him. The second question is whether swing voters (who often decide elections in the US) will vote for him. That is the crowd least likely to be impressed by his kind of antics. In essence, I think he has already garnered the support of all the people who really like / are impressed by him. In the general he has to pivot toward reasonability and the center, and he has shown little indication of that so far.

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    • Clearly they have.. they never lived them 🙁they only know prosperity that followed.

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    • I wonder that too, about too many forgetting 1945… the world has such a short-term memory!

      As for Trump – the man has been embarrassing himself in Scotland, so that is good. 🙂 Still, I hope the Americans don’t underestimate him. The hidden votes of angry people can be very powerful…

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  7. I stayed up last night to find out the results on Twitter and was floored when I realized Brexit would win. There is going to be a domino effect now, and it won’t be pretty. I agree that now Scotland is primed to seek independence again. How many of them are regretting the results of their earlier referendum? Surely Ireland will unite; it seems logical. Will the other nations under the UK rule want to leave too?

    As for Trump, I can’t understand why he is still allowed to visit Scotland. Years ago he sued the government in order to build a golf course in some protected lands! Like Servetus, I feel that we have a good chance he won’t win over here. The first big clue was when President Putin backed out of his earlier praise. Let’s hope that this Brexit debacle wakes up many of the voters and we don’t have to cry in November.

    Esther, my father was a WWII veteran. Last night’s vote felt like a slap in the face to the sacrifices he and his generation made to free us from Hitler’s plan. It made me think of this quote we all know:

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905).

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    • I can imagine it being painful for your dad! I really hope this helps sink Trump, but there is still a lot of time to go before November…
      Yes, that quote is very poignant right now! Alas, humanity seems to keep on repeating the same mistakes over and over again…

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